Today, I’m sitting down with two true pioneers in the health optimization space: microbiologist Kiran Krishnan from Just Thrive, and Forrest Smith, founder of Kineon. In this episode, we bridge two often separate worlds—gut health and photobiomodulation—to explore what happens when you combine spore-based probiotics with red and near-infrared light therapy. You'll hear about the unexpected links between the gut and brain, the pivotal role of leaky gut in everything from neurodegeneration to hormone imbalance, and why Forrest started experimenting with shining red light directly on his abdomen.